O/T - General Politics thread

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Re: O/T - General Politics thread

16 Oct 2020 15:17 pm:

shedwebadmin wrote:I am a tory, pretty much always have been, apart from that time I voted for a bloke who wanted to birch people in the street.. fun times... but I can't help fear there is a total shizzle-storm of shenanigans going to come out probably before all this guff has passed. My faith in the party as the right choice, and most of the protagonists' ability is at an all-time low.

Their baffling inability to conduct an inebriation in a brewery is almost admirable and a skill in itself.. They can't be this stupid. Labour can't be this inept as opposition to this government.. There must be some sort of hope (beyond the twinkling star of Rishi Sunak).. sigh.


Voted Conservative at every election since I could vote (2002) until last years European and G.E. - Brexit, for me, is fundamentally flawed (as backed up again by the news today) and I felt the direction of the party and the policies has lurched too far to the right. Now the problem is all the relatively sensible and moderate MP's have either been driven out of the party, been sacked or resigned from the cabinet. All that is left are the Brexit supporting ones and those who are either useless or aren't bothered.

It's not quite at this stage yet, but I am reminded of a line from Star Wars when looking at Parliament currently:

"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious"

Maybe we look back at politicians of the past with rose-tinted glasses, but I do seem to recall we once had ministers who were basically competent
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16 Oct 2020 17:34 pm:

..and had enough shame to resign when caught with wrong doing.
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16 Oct 2020 17:46 pm:

SonofPricey wrote:Maybe we look back at politicians of the past with rose-tinted glasses, but I do seem to recall we once had ministers who were basically competent


I think throughout history ministers have not been the most honest to say the least. Some have been more competent than others. I feel covid has shone the spotlight on them more than ever before (the war etc there would not have been such media scrutiny etc). Sometimes I feel bad sorry for them as whatever decision they make half of the population is going to be against it. What I cant stand about them is the blatant dishonesty (both sides). Would love a politician to come out and be honest. I'm sure he/she wouldn't get very far with the back stabbers and selfish mps but the public would probably like them!
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16 Oct 2020 18:02 pm:

I'm going to get pelters for saying this but the nearest we get to a politician being themselves, shorn of the great PR gloss, genuinely saying what they believe unaffected by vested interests and lobby groups was Corbyn. And look what happened to him.
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16 Oct 2020 18:53 pm:

I don't disagree. And a fellow allotmenteer, so..
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17 Oct 2020 15:22 pm:

lovejoy wrote:I'm going to get pelters for saying this but the nearest we get to a politician being themselves, shorn of the great PR gloss, genuinely saying what they believe unaffected by vested interests and lobby groups was Corbyn. And look what happened to him.


Unloved and unwanted by the people and his own political party - except the manipulative Unite Union until he stood up to them.

No more than a rather shabby left-wing socialist (living in Islington). Though consistently honest about his views.... :roll: :roll:
Nothing wrong with free speech or having an opinion - as long as it matches mine !!
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19 Oct 2020 11:21 am:

Gloucester Mute wrote:
lovejoy wrote:I'm going to get pelters for saying this but the nearest we get to a politician being themselves, shorn of the great PR gloss, genuinely saying what they believe unaffected by vested interests and lobby groups was Corbyn. And look what happened to him.


Unloved and unwanted by the people and his own political party - except the manipulative Unite Union until he stood up to them.

No more than a rather shabby left-wing socialist (living in Islington). Though consistently honest about his views.... :roll: :roll:


As usual a lot to unpack there. The original question was around honesty in politicians.

Why the eye rolls over his honesty?
Shabby is a pejorative term and doesn't mean dishonest.
Do you know of many socialists who aren't left wing?
Why does where he lives matter? Unless you think he lived in Camden but was lying about living in Islington?
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19 Oct 2020 11:35 am:

lovejoy wrote:
As usual a lot to unpack there. The original question was around honesty in politicians.

Why the eye rolls over his honesty?
Shabby is a pejorative term and doesn't mean dishonest.
Do you know of many socialists who aren't left wing?
Why does where he lives matter? Unless you think he lived in Camden but was lying about living in Islington?


JC rarely had a view - it was normally just criticism but no alternative idea at all.
Shabby was meant with reference to his appearance.
Fair point - bad grammar.
I am always amused by the Islington-set at the top of the Labour Party. I would mainly call them champagne socialists. Islington has on the whole moved-on and is a very monied upper-middle class enclave.

You are obviously a JC-acolyte - I think if you really consider his thoughts/actions you will realise that he all pi55 and wind with very little substance aka........
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19 Oct 2020 12:10 pm:

It's very Daily Mail to call out a left winger for living in a middle class area. I suspect it wasn't so gentrified when Corbyn moved there.

Point of order, at no point have I ever stated I am a JC supporter, that is massive supposition on your part. Or if I have please can you show me where. Simply saying he was a relatively honest politician when compared to all these liars and charlatans with their PR machines and vested interests is merely an opinion on how he was presented rather than a message of support. Still, why let facts get in the way.
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19 Oct 2020 12:45 pm:

I have also assumed that you are very supportive of the likes of "Power to the People" Andy Burnham......... :roll: :roll:
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