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Re: Afghan shambles

27 Aug 2021 19:38 pm:

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Your choice of commentary speaks volumes.

You're a Biden fan I guess?

On this issue I’m agreeing with you. I’m not a fan of Biden, although he’s infinitely more preferable to the previous president. Hopefully he’s a placeholder[/quote]
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Re: Afghan shambles

27 Aug 2021 21:39 pm:

Bod wrote:
Severus wrote:
Fire to right thinkers

Your choice of commentary speaks volumes.

You're a Biden fan I guess?

On this issue I’m agreeing with you. I’m not a fan of Biden, although he’s infinitely more preferable to the previous president. Hopefully he’s a placeholder

Placeholder?
What's that and for who?[/quote]
For the next democratic president.
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27 Aug 2021 22:01 pm:

( 1 / 2 ) Ultimately Trump and Pompeo negotiated the Withdrawal agreement with all US troops out before May21. They didn't talk to any Allies nor the Afghan Government. Nor did they negotiate a Peace Deal. They, via the Pentagon and US Arms manufacturers, supplied high tech Planes, Choppers, drones, weapons etc but never trained the Afghans to maintain the equipment, instead using Contractors, who were leaving on the withdrawal date. In the mean time the Taliban used the 18 months notice to consolidate their position. History had already proved that conventional warfare wouldn't work in Afghanistan and again it didn't. Rugged, no nonsense Ak-47's and converted pickups won against over engineered weaponry & Humvee's, in Guerrilla warfare. Could Biden have halted the withdrawal? Possibly, but he was put in an invidious position by his predecessor. Dammed if he did postpone and dammed if he didn't. However for the Afghan Army to roll over like a poodle is damming. The Taliban advance makes the Blitzkrieg look positively pedestrian. Most " refugees" over the last 20 years from there were, are of fighting Age. Just imagine if the same had happened here in 1940-45? If you can't be bothered to fight for your country, why should anyone else? Afghanistan copped for 9/11 yet most of those involved were Saudi citizens. Tora Bora had the crap bombed out of it, yet Osama bin Laden was happily living for years in a complex over the border in Pakistan, who's ISI, said they had no idea? Really? The bombings yesterday were claimed by ISIS-K, who, apparently the Taliban loathe, yet got they got through the Taliban check points.
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Re: Afghan shambles

27 Aug 2021 22:02 pm:

( 2 / 2 ) Afghanistan is the current flashpoint but there is also the ongoing Yemen crisis, the Boko Haram in Nigeria, the Mali crisis where UK armed Forces are helping the French, etc. The common denominator, being extreme Islamist groups hell bent on creating Caliphates & yet, bar Yemen, no Middle Eastern Country, who's Armed Forces have top Equipment, seem to want to get involved, probably due to the differing groups involved. In the meantime the West can take the blame. Ironically, seeing as Turkey is, under Erdogan, is going more " religious", it could be said that the abolition of the Caliphate in 1924, by Kemal Atatürk, in order to make Turkey more secular, was the precursor to the current problems as the Ottoman Caliph was the Highest authority in Islam and his word was it. Whilst some Religions have adapted over history, some haven't. Religion has caused more wars than any other reason and yet most are factually nonsense, but that's another debate. :)
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30 Aug 2021 17:25 pm:

DieTrying wrote:( 2 / 2 ) Afghanistan is the current flashpoint but there is also the ongoing Yemen crisis, the Boko Haram in Nigeria, the Mali crisis where UK armed Forces are helping the French, etc. The common denominator, being extreme Islamist groups hell bent on creating Caliphates & yet, bar Yemen, no Middle Eastern Country, who's Armed Forces have top Equipment, seem to want to get involved, probably due to the differing groups involved. In the meantime the West can take the blame. Ironically, seeing as Turkey is, under Erdogan, is going more " religious", it could be said that the abolition of the Caliphate in 1924, by Kemal Atatürk, in order to make Turkey more secular, was the precursor to the current problems as the Ottoman Caliph was the Highest authority in Islam and his word was it. Whilst some Religions have adapted over history, some haven't. Religion has caused more wars than any other reason and yet most are factually nonsense, but that's another debate. :)

Plus 1, couldn't agree more DT, especially as most of these wars have been caused by folks only using what they want out of their religion, not the whole 9 yards.
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Re: Afghan shambles

11 Sep 2021 16:01 pm:

Afghanistan has not been strategically important for a considerable period of time. It was not strategically important in 2000 and it’s not strategically important now.

We as the “Partner of choice” were led into Afghanistan as a consequence of an American emotional response. There was no strategic plan; this was not part of any global strategic strategy. It was an emotional response plain and simple.
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Re: Afghan shambles

11 Sep 2021 17:07 pm:

Just one of several proxy war zones available to exploit. Got to feel for the rank and file Afghan. They’ve been done over well and truly by the machine.

And with war having been commercialised so ‘successfully’ so that huge amounts of money can be laundered in its name, I fear there is no end to this strategy in sight.

It’s China’s turn for a while now. Belt and road FTW..
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Re: Afghan shambles

13 Sep 2021 20:33 pm:

shedwebadmin wrote:Just one of several proxy war zones available to exploit. Got to feel for the rank and file Afghan. They’ve been done over well and truly by the machine.

And with war having been commercialised so ‘successfully’ so that huge amounts of money can be laundered in its name, I fear there is no end to this strategy in sight.

It’s China’s turn for a while now. Belt and road FTW..


Was just about to post a very similar comment regarding China and "Belt and Road.
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