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SirHenry 14 Sep 2020 17:10 pm said..

Calling a pandemic that has so far taken the lives of nearly 1 million people can hardly be called "relatively trivial" !! Do you want to re-phrase OR is that what you think.


As bad as it is (which am not trivialising) compared to the impact climate change will have if we cannot get temperature rises under control, then yes it is.

Won't be much evident in next 10-20 years though. More like 2100 before millions are dying.

Not to mention our oversight of the destruction of wildlife and biodiversity that combined with climate change threatens the food chain we all rely on. Something the UK is missing all targets on.
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lovejoy 14 Sep 2020 19:03 pm said..

Gloucester Mute wrote:
SirHenry wrote: There is a pattern emerging and it's a downward spiral on anything to do with the big issues facing the next generations that will make them look back on the relatively trivial pandemic issues with nostalgia.

Easy enough to want it over an done with to get on with the stub end of your life and not care about future generations.


Calling a pandemic that has so far taken the lives of nearly 1 million people can hardly be called "relatively trivial" !! Do you want to re-phrase OR is that what you think.

Rather hoping my "stub end of life" will last another 10+ years BTW !! And I most certainly do care about the future generations - I have a large number of grandchildren + 2 great-grandchildren.

I just think that leaving Europe and subsequent issues will just be more and more blah-blah politicking and actually life will carry on (on the relatively upward curve). As I said I voted Remain but have now (like many in Britain) had enough.

Do you really think there is a chance of still remaining ?? Are you the bloke who shouted non-stop outside Parliament ?? ;)


Hi please could you share how you reach the opinion that Brexit will give us an upward curve, genuine question.
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Gloucester Mute 14 Sep 2020 20:49 pm said..

Sir Henry - Golly where did Climate Change suddenly pop it's head up from ?? I thought we were Brexit and/or Covid-19. Bit left field and TBH something all countries need to be working hand in hand on. Bring on Greta !! ;)

Lovejoy - Much trade with Europe will continue (as that's basic economics and supply/demand) and new trade routes will emerge (same reason). Though I would have liked to remain in the wider European bloc I certainly won't mind being rid of Brussels bureaucracy and/or French/German domination of the bloc irrespective of how many billions that the UK contributed. Hopefully we'll be master (or should we say mistress) of our destiny before too long and the natural global laws of economics will kick-in.

Plus I really would prefer the UK Govt to be concentrating on sorting out our Covid-19 issues + (GRFC's revival) rather than getting their knickers involved in an internecine twist. That is prime at the moment (above Brexit and Climate Change).

PS : Extinction Rebellion are yet another militant socialist body masquerading behind a Green cloak and a gullible supporter base. IMHO.
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SirHenry 14 Sep 2020 22:08 pm said..

You are going to be disappointed then.
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Gloucester Mute 14 Sep 2020 22:26 pm said..

SirHenry wrote:You are going to be disappointed then.


Maybe. But I can't make those changes on my own.

I help in my own little way - recycle like mad, no longer have bonfires (instead composting), the Aga is electric and I shower rather than bath. Press our windfall apples at Stroud Market, wear clothes till they fall apart, have a water-butt collecting run-off and throw the coffee-granules on the roses. Shop locally and don't use private planes.

Plus personally I like a warm Spring and Indian Summers in Sept/Oct !!
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Severus 15 Sep 2020 05:28 am said..

Gloucester Mute wrote:Sir Henry - Golly where did Climate Change suddenly pop it's head up from ?? I thought we were Brexit and/or Covid-19. Bit left field and TBH something all countries need to be working hand in hand on. Bring on Greta !! ;)


The fact that climate change is left field and not front and centre in all of our minds is extremely worrying. It is by far the biggest challenge facing the world at the moment.
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lovejoy 15 Sep 2020 06:02 am said..

Gloucester Mute wrote:
Lovejoy - Much trade with Europe will continue (as that's basic economics and supply/demand) and new trade routes will emerge (same reason). Though I would have liked to remain in the wider European bloc I certainly won't mind being rid of Brussels bureaucracy and/or French/German domination of the bloc irrespective of how many billions that the UK contributed. Hopefully we'll be master (or should we say mistress) of our destiny before too long and the natural global laws of economics will kick-in.


Thank you for replying.
Which countries specifically will be the new trade routes that we will trade that we can’t currently now and show me the deal which allows us to continue to trade with EU as normal - tariff free and frictionless? I’m sorry but this just sounds like wishful thinking and not based in the reality of the current situation.

Brussels bureaucracy - ask a logistics company how they will get goods from a France through GB to Northern Ireland, when we have different tax regimes and standards, that my friend is bureaucracy.

Overall I take from your post that you think it will be alright and the government will sort it all out and make it better (it’s 4 years and you can’t give any specifics). I won’t be holding my breath.
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Gloucester Mute 15 Sep 2020 10:44 am said..

I do Lovejoy. To be frank whatever we do there will be bureaucracy and paperwork/tariffs/taxes etc;. Personally I'd like UK to be in charge of what occurs NOT Brussels/Paris/Berlin. We'll agree to disagree.

Anyway Climate Change is apparently more important than Brexit or a "relatively trivial pandemic" that's taken the lives of 900,000 globally and is nowhere being curtailed !! :roll: :roll:
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SirHenry 15 Sep 2020 10:45 am said..

Gloucester Mute wrote:
Sir Henry - Golly where did Climate Change suddenly pop it's head up from ?? I thought we were Brexit and/or Covid-19. Bit left field and TBH something all countries need to be working hand in hand on. Bring on Greta !!


The fact that climate change is left field and not front and centre in all of our minds is extremely worrying. It is by far the biggest challenge facing the world at the moment.


This. It is pertinent to pretty much every political decision today and we continue to be let down badly.

It is a failure of current and past politics that BLM and Extinction Rebellion exist.
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SirHenry 15 Sep 2020 10:49 am said..

Anyway Climate Change is apparently more important than Brexit or a "relatively trivial pandemic" that's taken the lives of 900,000 globally and is nowhere being curtailed !!



Try managing your finances and health when temperatures pass the dew point and the food chain collapses. :roll: :roll:

P. S. Growing evidence that climate change will also increase the prevalence of infectious disease including cross species pandemic.

Double whammy.
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