Varadkar resigns

Varadkar resigns

RTS2 21 Feb 2020 11:43 am said..

Wonder what comes next in Irish politics ?. Contentious subject for many still in some parts; but will the rise of Sinn Fein continue and how influential will they now be in forming a new government there ?.

Sinn Fein leader Mary Lou McDonald looks as if she might be favourite to be taoiseach. How times have changed. Gerry Adams is reported to be one of the steering negotiators behind the structuring of the new government. Is a United Ireland now looking more and more on the cards ?....
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lovejoy 22 Feb 2020 06:27 am said..

Brexit will split the union and is inevitably moving to a United Ireland with Johnson’s borders in the Irish sea. It’s what was voted for.
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Lewi7 24 Feb 2020 15:54 pm said..

Any old band wagon to jump on eh Lovejoy !

Because we have left the EU there are some that see an opportunity. The reality with NI is that the majority still want to stay in the UK and there is the cost of maintaining NI - The RoI can't afford it. There is even a suggestion that the UK Gov might want a united Ireland, simply due to cost.

The border in the Irish Sea is a follow on from the EU wanting a border between RoI & NI. The UK Gov are very happy to have no border at all, in fact the Good Friday Agreement is International Law & supersedes anything the EU would like. Varadkar thought he was being clever in siding with the EU. He's lost his position but may end up in the EU in some capacity, it's a well known destination for failed & rejected politicians (Kinnock, Mandelsohn, Tusk, Junker etc...).
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SirHenry 24 Feb 2020 16:29 pm said..

However, the UK has signed up to an international agreement that will require checks in the Irish Sea ... watching them try to backtrack and blame others is somewhat cringe worthy. Doesn't show the UK in a good light.
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Lewi7 24 Feb 2020 20:10 pm said..

It's not an "international agreement", it's a proposal & compromise because the EU requested it. There is a long term agreement between the UK & RoI regarding movement of people that pre dates the EU's existence. As mentioned the GFA is international law, whatever the EU passes as law is for the EU only.

The question comes about the UK aligning to EU or not - it's as simple as that.
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SirHenry 24 Feb 2020 22:54 pm said..

What's the long term agreement? I am aware of CTA, but that has nothing to do with goods and trade which is where the checks become relevant..?
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Lewi7 25 Feb 2020 09:12 am said..

Checks already happen with imports / exports to non EU countries & they transition just fine. The UK Gov is however developing a more advanced digital system to minimise border checks, this will involve inputting bar codes pre shipment & tracking, labelling etc. There are funds available to business's for the procurement of hardware, software, recruitment, possibly training & or salary for a limited of time.

If you've ordered products from the likes of Amazon they keep the purchaser up to date with the shipping & delivery times, via their app & alerts. Deliveroo, likewise. We can also sit in our homes, using 3 or 4G, with an app & identify the aircraft flying overhead, or anywhere else in the world. The technology already exists.

Re: UK & RoI
The Common Travel Area exists as you refer too, was previously known as the Common Immigration Area & dates from the 1920's when separation happened, is between RoI & the UK (but not UK overseas territories) & pre dates the EU.
In the late 90's, the RoI Gov introduced ID checks on UK Nationals, dependent on their mode of transport.

As I say the UK & RoI have managed well with mutual recognition for some time, albeit with some difficulties resulting from historic & or religious reasons, without the EU's involvement. What has happened recently is that the EU have taken a position of ownership of the RoI & Varadkar fell for it. Now, if he had said....the UK & RoI relationship is enshrined in international law & is between the 2 Countries he would have more respect, but he didn't, he tried to be clever & was used by the EU for their purposes of disrupting the UK leaving the EU.
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Lewi7 25 Feb 2020 09:19 am said..

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-51612028

This article, appears to be written from the EU's preferred position, sets out what both the RoI, under Varadkar & the UK Gov now want. Varadkar has changed his position.

The question one has to ask themselves is this:
Does the UK & RoI come to their own agreement, and continue with what is already in place, based on their historical relationship, or does the the UK have to negotiate with the EU, to decide how the relationship with the RoI should operate ?

The Withdrawal Agreement isn't international law as Varadkar suggests, it's an agreement between the UK & EU under which final terms have yet to be agreed.
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SirHenry 25 Feb 2020 10:27 am said..

There is a world of difference between "checks that work" and having no checks at all which, it would seem is the road the UK government is trying to travel:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/brexit-team-seeks-to-evade-irish-sea-checks-on-goods-mv3pqjkcm

Technology certainly helps minimise friction and increased cost but does not remove it.

Even if the UK and Ireland came to an bipartisan agreement, under WTO rules any country can complain in circumstances where duties or customs are not enforced so a system where it is demonstrable that duties are being enforced is required.

Hauliers are certainly not convinced and I assume they know more about it than me....

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/we-just-won-t-put-up-with-it-truckers-on-irish-sea-border-delays-1.4069618

Whether or not checks are done at an actual border such as a port or at other points in the supply chain makes a difference in terms of delays but does not remove the question of increased cost of business.
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Lewi7 25 Feb 2020 11:04 am said..

There are examples where costs might rise and might fall. The cost of any new tracking system will cover non EU countries aswell as EU countries, it's being developed regardless.

Hauliers that have taken the time to review their operations will see some changes, some for the better, some additional. But if they operate outside the EU today then they simply expand their current operations to cover the EU as per non EU.

If however a business has been 100% exclusively operating with EU only countries then they'll have more to do.

The orange analogy applies - we buy an orange from Nth Africa & import directly into the UK, currently we pay a EU tariff, which is to protect the orange growers in the EU. Out of the EU sees that tariff disappear.

Equally, a very well know high street retailer has done their sums, out of the EU & with no tariffs they see a + £25M pa to their bottom line.
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