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25 Jan 2021 14:50 pm:

What would you like to see happen to the Covid-deniers and anti-vaccers ??

One sentence answers. ;)
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25 Jan 2021 14:52 pm:

Nothing - but once the roll out is complete, I don't see why the rest of us should lockdown for their benefit.
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25 Jan 2021 15:16 pm:

Gloucester Mute wrote:What would you like to see happen to the Covid-deniers and anti-vaccers ??

One sentence answers. ;)


Put them in the same room as those who thought Brexit was a good idea and throw away the key.

They might of course be the same people ... :D
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25 Jan 2021 16:02 pm:

GM, John

Don't ask that sort of question and expect a one word answer from me unless it's unrepeatable on here . :)

Idiots would be as polite as I could be to describe them. That or Trumpists ?. ;)

In terms of what I would do with them; nothing unless they ignore the rules and endanger others in which case they deserve to face the consequences; hopefully the maximum that the law permits.
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Re: COVID- 19

25 Jan 2021 16:05 pm:

Lurker :lol:

I would hope though that most Breixteer's are changing their views given the shambolic way it's been managed to date.

Hopefully those indicated by GM are also slowly changing their view on Covid-19 too.
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25 Jan 2021 16:11 pm:

lucifer wrote:Bod, my understanding of any vaccine is that it is a mild dose of the virus that causes the body to produce antibodies which will then be able to kill off the actual virus should you come into contact with it thereafter. You might get a mild dose yourself in the process of this but it won't kill you. However because Covid is transmitted through droplet and touch it won't stop you coming into contact with it and you could be a vector and transmit it to others. That's why we still have to be careful with social mixing after the jab; it should stop it killing you but doesn't stop you spreading it to others.

Lucifer, neither of the covid vaccines available at present in the UK (Pfizer and Astra Zeneca) utilise live coronavirus in any guise whatsoever. The AZ vaccine uses an inactive chimpanzee adenovirus (as a vector virus) to carry the genomic sequence (mRNA) for coronavirus spike protein and the Pfizer vaccine simply carries the same genomic sequence in a "nanoparticle". This sequence provokes the production of antibodies and T cells which produces immunity.
You cannot get a "mild dose" of coronavirus from the vaccination. You may experience side effects of varying severity, very unlikely to be serious.
You are absolutely right that preventative measures must continue after vaccination. Whether being vaccinated prevents onward transmission is unknown at present, but it certainly protects from serious disease and death.
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25 Jan 2021 16:15 pm:

Hancock live at 5pm today from No.10.

Hopefully more clarity for schools and for international travel restrictions. BJ has already alluded to the lockdown measures being extended beyond the 15th of February by all accounts although not heard him speaking myself today.

Hopefully the Govt. can put us all out of our misery and tell us it's being extended for review until the middle of March; although not expecting that today. It would be welcome though.

Any lifting of restrictions would be insanity and highly unlikely, and if anything even stricter measures are needed.

Hopefully furlough will be extended until the summer too. Maybe to be announced when the extension to lockdown is ?.
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25 Jan 2021 16:20 pm:

Gloucester Mute wrote:What would you like to see happen to the Covid-deniers and anti-vaccers ??

One sentence answers. ;)


We live in a generally free society so they can choose not to have the vaccine but equally free are travel companies who might choose to only accept those with vaccines to be able to fly.
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Re: COVID- 19

25 Jan 2021 16:34 pm:

RTS2 wrote:Interesting going back to the point I made a few days ago about the time-lag between jabs with the Pfizer vaccine.

Leading medical people now saying it should be cut from 12 weeks to 6 weeks.

To go against Phizer's own data and research would be insanity.

The Government will change strategy as I suspected. Not their fault and cannot be called a u-turn when they do. They were going by the advice given to them.

I am increasingly concerned about who is giving the advice . BJ must be wondering what data , science and group of specialists he should trust to advise him next.


There are plenty of "leading medical people" saying that extending the interval between vaccinations to a maximum of 12 weeks, will confer the greatest benefit on the greatest number of people (see the JCVI article on the subject). Whether these advisors to the Government are right, may become apparent in time, but the members of the JCVI are very highly qualified people. They only want the best for people.
I suspect Pfizer can only advise on what their data and results show. There has been extrapolation by the Government experts and JCVI of all available data, to arrive at their conclusion. If Pfizer advised anything which their data did not indicate or support, they may be legally responsible for non-favourable outcomes.
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Re: COVID- 19

25 Jan 2021 16:50 pm:

Lovejoy - that's dangerous though isn't it? I don't like the idea of being in a society where people are being asked to prove they have had a jab. I know this happens for other jabs for certain nations - but it just doesn't sit right.
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