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steckers 20 Jun 2020 19:07 pm said..

You're correct James - more time is needed. But the govt haven't been afforded time throughout - I'm afraid there is a daily pressure for decisions. Obviously they have managed to kick themselves in the ass enough times by saying stupid stuff. Will they learn? Doubtful.

These are impossible decisions - and there is a lot of hindsight criticism going on. It's the world we live in. Currently it's the 2m rule - I'd stick with it - but I think they'll bow to pressure.

The big question we have to sort out is why do we have so many deaths?
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Nobbler23 20 Jun 2020 19:15 pm said..

I rather think that we are getting closer, not only in UK, but World wide, to the point where decisions will be driven by the dangers of restrictions, rather than the virus, incredibly difficult as that might be.
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steckers 20 Jun 2020 19:23 pm said..

I think we are there already. Look at the US.
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Nobbler23 20 Jun 2020 19:29 pm said..

I was thinking more about relatively well led countries, but you are probably right, I think even the likes of Germany will move in this direction, purely because there is no alternative.
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The Vic 21 Jun 2020 08:59 am said..

RTS and JamesK - I'm happy for civil disagreement. I think the best study you will get will be the french study, simply because there just are not as many deaths in children. Social distancing is not just damaging for the educational development but also children's immune system.

I think the argument that children adapt quicker is a false justification. It may will be true, but they shouldn't have to be adjust based on fear. The evidence is showing that children are not as seriously impacted. Its time to let them have their lives back, goodness knows with the climate change they will have to face they've had enough taken from them
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steckers 21 Jun 2020 09:31 am said..

You can't make a generalisation about children - they aren't all the same.

RTS suggested that they will cope better due to the notion that they socialise more via technology etc. That's true for some - certainly the case with my kids. But many are struggling through the lockdown and stories of mental health issues in children are a real concern.
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The Vic 21 Jun 2020 10:44 am said..

steckers wrote:You can't make a generalisation about children - they aren't all the same.

RTS suggested that they will cope better due to the notion that they socialise more via technology etc. That's true for some - certainly the case with my kids. But many are struggling through the lockdown and stories of mental health issues in children are a real concern.


I'm of the personal view that online living is actually more damaging to children long term. Japan came out with some interesting research a year ago or so that was showing the inability for young adults to be in a relationship of a more intimate basis with online living cited as one of the contributing factors. We live in very polarised times, my own view is that online living exacerbates this.

In terms of immune systems, in all the bugs that go around at no point have I ever heard medical professional recommend social distancing, unless that child is unfortunate enough to be undergoing medical treatment where their immune system is compromised. If much of the data is showing that on the whole (not all granted) children are not as severely impacted, there is a credible study in France to show children are not super spreaders (in the same way they are with cold and flu) and quite probably don't spread it, how is this generalisation? The impact of social distancing is damaging not just socially, not just mental health, but also physical health in the long term.

By all means disagree, but views shouldn't just be dismissed because they are different. I'm basing my opinion on the data available to me on this specific topic.
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JamesK 22 Jun 2020 05:50 am said..

Vic, yes we are all entitled to opinions. You might well be correct that children rarely infect others but when I look at the reviews of the limited number of studies on this it appears to me that there is insufficient evidence at the moment.
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The Vic 23 Jun 2020 09:12 am said..

JamesK wrote:Vic, yes we are all entitled to opinions. You might well be correct that children rarely infect others but when I look at the reviews of the limited number of studies on this it appears to me that there is insufficient evidence at the moment.


Thats fine for your opinion, but I think it is more damaging an opinion long term for the health and well being of children.

In good news the virus seems to be slowly receding. Lets hope that the government manages these next stages well
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JamesK 23 Jun 2020 12:36 pm said..

I'm relieved that the government has gone for a 1-metre-plus rule (i.e. another precaution has to be in place if people are less than 2m apart) rather than saying 1m apart is fine.
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