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The Vic 03 Sep 2020 09:02 am said..

So reinfection is seemingly now a realistic possibility looking at new data. So the question of the day is whether the current guidelines/rules are worthwhile long term? This virus although on the rise does not seem to equating into hospitalisations or a spike in deaths. Should we allow for the majority of society to go back to normal, while asking those who are vulnerable to maintain the guidelines?

Mute fyi this is opinion, so type away pal!!
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Gloucester Mute 03 Sep 2020 11:21 am said..

Obviously worth a look The Vic. This virus is mutating across races and boundaries. It is still killing '000's per day globally though.

Why do I think that anything that is tried (in good faith) in this country/kingdom and fails will just attract criticism and political hatred though ?!?!

Leaders are damned if they do and damned if they don't by this country's media and keyboard warriors.

Pull together.........
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lovejoy 03 Sep 2020 13:27 pm said..

i don't agree.

Most of the press media is right wing so a useful, supine mouthpiece for the government and usually who they brief in order to announce their policies.

People will criticise when the government makes mistakes, and if the mistakes are numerous, I can see how this might seem they are being criticised all the time. Not many are criticsing the furlough scheme compared to say care home protection. Not many in New Zealand are criticising their PM either. In summary to avoid excessive criticism its best to be vaguely competent and coherent.

Pulling together and blindly supportive the government, not pointing out issues will mean less u turns on erroneous policies and therefoew make us all worse off. I don't think blind support will save lives, I really don't.
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Gloucester Mute 03 Sep 2020 15:58 pm said..

And constant Left-wing moaning will help ??

I just thank God that Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott haven't been at the helm of HMS Britain during this awful crisis. I can't imagine the chaos. :roll: :roll:
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Re: COVID- 19

The Vic 03 Sep 2020 19:53 pm said..

I'd be very concerned if I were living in NZ at the police state they've become.

I still believe Sweden choose the best policy, their cases a dropping quite quickly now. Lockdown was totally the wrong thing, and I'm now very concerned that as a nation freedoms are being eroded. The idea that the government can fine you for socialising in your garden, makes me shudder. My fear is that before this pandemic politicians, local councils etc were struggling for relevance in todays world, now they have a bit of power they will not let go of it, and will cling onto it until they strangle the life out of the nation. I think now would be a good time to emigrate to a country that values individual freedoms.

Mute, you must accept that they have not handled certain aspects of this pandemic well at all, even the biggest supporter of the government accepts this. No one on here has for one second suggested its an easy job, criticism is part and parcel of the job of a politician and rightly so. They make big decisions that impact many people that need scrutiny, regardless of them being on the left or the right of the political spectrum. If you are campaigning for that to end... go move to China.
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steckers 03 Sep 2020 20:28 pm said..

I'm not sure the virus is 'on the rise' - according to the ONS, things are roughly level at present.

Also - why do you say this about re-infection? Whilst I'm sure it's possible - I suspect it's incredibly rare.
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The Vic 03 Sep 2020 20:49 pm said..

steckers wrote:I'm not sure the virus is 'on the rise' - according to the ONS, things are roughly level at present.

Also - why do you say this about re-infection? Whilst I'm sure it's possible - I suspect it's incredibly rare.


Quote from Mr Hancock on the radio this morning

6% increase of cases from last week
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lovejoy 03 Sep 2020 21:10 pm said..

The Vic wrote:
steckers wrote:I'm not sure the virus is 'on the rise' - according to the ONS, things are roughly level at present.

Also - why do you say this about re-infection? Whilst I'm sure it's possible - I suspect it's incredibly rare.


Quote from Mr Hancock on the radio this morning

6% increase of cases from last week


I think if you have to resort to quoting Matt Hancock you have already lost the argument.
See his interview with Kay Burley this morning, an absolute car crash.
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steckers 03 Sep 2020 21:16 pm said..

I assume the 6% rise is confirmed cases? If so this just reflects increased testing - and more focussed.

Also worth noting the death rate is dropping all time - think i saw it was around 0.3 % now.
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DieTrying 03 Sep 2020 22:41 pm said..

steckers wrote:I assume the 6% rise is confirmed cases? If so this just reflects increased testing - and more focused.

Also worth noting the death rate is dropping all time - think i saw it was around 0.3 % now.


ONS Aug 20-26: Positives up by 6%. track & trace transfers down by 3% and contacts reached down from 77.1% to 69.4% which is unacceptable. Local health bodies doing track and trace are 7-8 times better at tracing contacts. having to travel over 100 miles to get a test is also unacceptable, especially when Hancock says they're aiming to get that down to a max of 75 miles. Really. It should be no more than 5.

Tests per Million: We're 17th out of 214. We're best of the large European countries.
Deaths per Million: We're 6th out of 214. Of large European countries only Spain are worse.
Total cases: We're 13th out of 214. Of large European countries only Spain are worse.

Cases are now the worst since May and whilst death rates are "dropping", I see that changing purely on the stats. The Gov't have been behind the curve since day 1 and seem clueless about how to get ahead of it. funny how "Super forecaster" Cummings and his Team can't seem to forecast anything. World beating Track & Trace App failed, local health teams have better contact tracing %'s, give SERCO another contract. PHE doing a good job so close it and elevate the boss of the failed track & trace scheme to be boss of the new body, advocated by her think tank & failed MP Husband. U turn on O levels so force the Ofqual boss to resign even though it was Ministers who made the U turn. The list is endless.

We had more notice than most and reacted like snails.
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