Premiership ring-fencing

Re: Premiership ring-fencing

jimKRFC 06 Dec 2018 12:24 pm said..

JC wrote:Leeds sold their shares to London Irish a while back, the reasons I don't know, but that's the situation. I appreciate that Leeds would merit their own ground, stadium capacity requirements, etc, but as a non-member, I don't see how they can influence their position within PRL.


They had to, there are 13 P shares and you earn them being in the Prem. If you are out of the Prem for a certain period of time (2 or 3 seasons I think), then a side that entered the Prem and stayed there for that time has the right to buy them.

When Exe earned the right to buy a P Share they had the choice of Bris or Leeds share. The price has to be agreed between the clubs, and they couldn't afford Bristols (Lansdown was bank rolling the club at this point), so they bought Leeds.

Leeds are now pretty unlikely to trouble the prem again...
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Re: Premiership ring-fencing

Sheddy Mcshedface 06 Dec 2018 12:26 pm said..

Have said it before but it bears repeating.

You can't have a system of promotion & relegation that involves a play-off game as it prevents the Championship club from signing players in anticipation of being promoted because they can't guarantee that they will be in the top flight the following season. Bristol would not have been able to sign the likes of Afoa, Thacker, Piutau, Randall, Luatua et al if there was a risk that they would still be in the championship next season.

Whilst ring fencing may be coming in the future we have only just got rid of the Championship play-off system so it probably would be best to leave it for a few years to see how it plays out. If it is still just a case of the same teams bouncing between the two then it probably will be a strong case for ring-fencing!
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Re: Premiership ring-fencing

Gb83 06 Dec 2018 12:35 pm said..

Sheddy Mcshedface wrote:Have said it before but it bears repeating.

You can't have a system of promotion & relegation that involves a play-off game as it prevents the Championship club from signing players in anticipation of being promoted because they can't guarantee that they will be in the top flight the following season. Bristol would not have been able to sign the likes of Afoa, Thacker, Piutau, Randall, Luatua et al if there was a risk that they would still be in the championship next season.

Whilst ring fencing may be coming in the future we have only just got rid of the Championship play-off system so it probably would be best to leave it for a few years to see how it plays out. If it is still just a case of the same teams bouncing between the two then it probably will be a strong case for ring-fencing!


Hit the nail on the end, give the latest system a chance, it’s one season old, review in 2+ years time.

The urgency is purely because of the premiership stake sell off.
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Re: Premiership ring-fencing

GlawsMDL 06 Dec 2018 12:41 pm said..

This is a very simplified idea, due to my own lack of understanding / piecing together how things work / not having really thought it through, but what if the RFU paid the Championship clubs more money each year, in exchange creating a player draft for the Prem clubs.

Drafted players, like academy players, would have certain salary cap dispensations with additional bonuses paid by the RFU / New club based on performances / progression?
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Re: Premiership ring-fencing

Allez Glaws 06 Dec 2018 12:48 pm said..

Sheddy Mcshedface wrote:Have said it before but it bears repeating.

You can't have a system of promotion & relegation that involves a play-off game as it prevents the Championship club from signing players in anticipation of being promoted because they can't guarantee that they will be in the top flight the following season. Bristol would not have been able to sign the likes of Afoa, Thacker, Piutau, Randall, Luatua et al if there was a risk that they would still be in the championship next season.

Whilst ring fencing may be coming in the future we have only just got rid of the Championship play-off system so it probably would be best to leave it for a few years to see how it plays out. If it is still just a case of the same teams bouncing between the two then it probably will be a strong case for ring-fencing!


bit of a catch 22, a more competitive championship where there could be more than one winner might mean the eventual promoted team wouldn't be able to recruit like that
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